Luke 2:36It is not the question of whether or not as a translation of αυτη προβεβηκυια εν ημεραις πολλαις "advanced in years" is usual English usage, or whether it's Biblish, that has me wondering. Rather it's the HCSB rendering: "Well along in years" which I think is an understandable English usage, but which captures many of the overtones of the original that "was very old" fails to carry.
ESV Anna…was advanced in years, having lived with her husband seven years from when she was a virgin,
Comment: The Greek idiom (lit.) “advanced in many days” means “very old.” The idiom “from her virginity” means “after she was married.” This illustrates one of the common mistakes made by literalist translators. They suppose that by reproducing a few words from the idiom (“advanced” and “virginity”), you get closer to the meaning. But it is the whole idiom that carries the meaning, not random words.
TNIV She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,
HCSB She was well along in years, having lived with her husband seven years after her marriage,
Now often, and probably in this case, such overtones are not important to the message. But, as any speaker or writer knows, sometimes they are vital. And, as most writers, and some speakers, discover at times even the author of the text is not aware of their impact till later... translators may therefore "miss" such effects, and overlook attempting to incorporate them, unless there is a concerted effort (when possible) to as HCSB has here incorporate them as far as possible even when they may not be significant.
Labels: bible.translation
¶ 8:14 AM
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I've been uploading photos to Panoramio, it makes a change from marking ;) Besides Panoramio is a great tool, you can geocode your photos, so that they are associated with the place you took them, and some get selected for display on Google Earth. This means that increasingly now I can find Creative Commons licenced photos of places, just by "going" there in Google, and clicking on the little square boxes that indicate a view... The photos I've uploaded have mainly been 
- Archaeological sites in Israel
- Like the olive press at Hazor (above top)
- or our South Island trip
- like this moody glacial valley
- or these pebbles at Birdlings Flat (below)
My collection is at http://www.panoramio.com/user/1721793 next I'll have to organise them better with tags... ;)
Labels: geography, internet, photo
¶ 5:21 PM
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I've also been working with Panoramio. I've been trying to use it on our Mozambique site and haven't found an easy way to embed the maps.
There is this info: http://www.panoramio.com/blog/embedding-panoramio/
But I'm still not getting it to work. I guess we'll go without maps for now...
By 
David Ker, at
November 25, 2008 9:34 AM
No, it does not seem easy to get it working, but it would be cool... maybe we should go over to his blog and ask for help...
By Tim, at
November 25, 2008 12:43 PM
Perhaps the biggest, and certainly the most complex, Librivox project I've been involved in is finished! It took 400 days, involved about 20 different readers "playing" the various characters whose reminiscences and letters make up the story, in which different characters versions of events are told alongside each other.
The Woman in White was written by Wilkie Collins in 1859, is the first mystery novel, (which may make it attractive to Barbara who reads whodunits. The Woman in White is widely regarded as one of the first (and finest) in the genre of ’sensation novels’. Many people know it through the musical adaptation by Andrew Lloyd Webber in 2004. It has al,so been filmed by the BBC, a Rusian company and Holywood...
Oh yes, and you can listen, or download from the Internet Archive, or Librivox.
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I don't see what is interesting about Desktops, afterall no one sits and stares at them, they are just a way station on the route to "somewhere" else, and a convenient place to keep stuff that has no real home, before you delete it ;)
But in a fit of cooperative excess, here goes Tim's desktop as of 10:34am today - it looks different already, files deleted and new ones added...
Now back to Gen 6:1-4 as a radio play... ¶ 10:32 AM
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'a fit of cooperativeness...' that's hilarious!!! and your desktop. ugh.
;-P
By Jim, at
November 19, 2008 11:01 AM
The Windows desktop is just a convenient place for (a) programs you use quite often but no often enough to have set up quick launch keys for and (b) stuff you might need in a day or two, have no other better home for, and will then delete. What else is it good for?
By Tim, at
November 19, 2008 11:15 AM
The Windows desktop is just a convenient place for (a) programs you use quite often but no often enough to have set up quick launch keys for and (b) stuff you might need in a day or two, have no other better home for, and will then delete. What else is it good for?
If I had grandchildren and wanted to display pictures of them I'd use the screen saver for that...
By Tim, at
November 19, 2008 11:16 AM
The finding of the ostracon was prophecied by scholars at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (on a page at http://qeiyafa.huji.ac.il/index.asp months before the event!
The image here shows a fragment of the writing, which chronicles in detail the finding and partial or false publications of its finding even giving often precise dates, all in a webpage copyrighted in 2007. This is a miracle! What a shame that the page does not continue beyond this month... then we'd all know what the ostracon reads even before it is deciphered ;) In the meanwhile I plan to wait for more information before I speculate too much...
Labels: archaeology, contrarian, copyright
¶ 9:58 AM
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Mark Brown is promising a blockbuster paper The Digital Revolution and the Church though as yet there's little to suggest what aspects of the huge topic he'll try to tackle... but maybe the issue of whether churchy media are becoming "disjointed fragments" will feature. Meanwhile, from where I type and read, units of communication seem to have been shrinking by the decade. All thanks to digital media. In the seventies TV turned politics into soundbites, in the nineties webpages turned monographs into scan and click mind food, now in the naughties YouTube, TXT and "social networking sites" are turning conversations into an exchange of soundbites and essays into five minute videos.
A significant conversation partner for Mark, and for those like David who are beginning to think of the mobile phone as the major channel, popped into my feed box this morning. With the unlikely name of Catskill Cottage Seed the eponymous CCSeed has a post on Storytelling in Social Media which is full of smart remarks and fine suggestions - interpret both "storytelling" and "social media" widely (and you should!) - and we are all able to learn something, or better still recognise something we already knew, but too often forget!
For me one paragraph stood out, on Hooks:
You never know when or where someone will come across your stream, where or when they will break into the narrative. In a novel, once your (sic.) hooked, other things can develop; character, plot, metaphor; that elusive moment of truth. Even when providing these aspects in social media space, each content packet needs a hook that allows someone stumbling upon it immediate access. Nothing, from a tweet to a e-book, should be floated without a hook.Much of the rest I'll want to reflect on and mull over, but for now I must not forget:
Scale the content down to the snippet, but not the quality of the content.But, you my gentle readers, what are your tips and insights into connumication in this brave new world? Do drop us a mention of your favourite recognitions or insights...
Labels: culture, digital, internet
¶ 9:12 AM
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con-numication - a lovely typo - making together with the Spirit?
By Bob MacDonald, at
November 17, 2008 10:03 AM
Oops :)
By Tim, at
November 17, 2008 11:33 AM
Enjoy very much the experience of finding others running with what works...the pragmatic sense of truth. Thanks for making me run to the dictionary with eponymous as well.
By 
Richard Reeve, at
November 18, 2008 4:07 PM
It is almost disappointing to discover that like most bloggers you have an ordinary name, though it does still alliterate nicely ;)
I wonder if being pragmatic about communication also makes one pragmatic about truth? But then perhaps the answer to Pilate's question is that truth is what truth does - the medium is the message, indeed ;) ?
By Tim, at
November 18, 2008 4:31 PM
Joshua:
- Bible 60 Joshua 1-12
- Bible 60 Joshua 13-24
- Bible 60 Judges 1-11
- Bible 60 Judges 12-21
For the full list (updated as we add more) go to Bible60 @ PodBible
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¶ 5:15 PM
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So I thought I'd investigate... Here's what they really look like, and why no gallery has appeared:
Mike Sangrey 
David Ker
Dan Sindlinger 
Peter Kirkand
Rich RhodesThe crew are all bad enough, but the ringleader of the gang "Wayne Leman" seems to be taunting us...
Wayne Leman.The moral of this post is: Reveal your own avatar, with suitable comments to soften the blow, or... I may reveal your real self for all the world to see... Ha ha ha! ¶ 7:52 AM
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Wayne may have wanted to keep our true appearances secret, but I have now revealed them!
By Peter Kirk, at
November 5, 2008 10:58 AM
I've been found out! Aaaargh!
Back to reading from C.S. Lewis, Until We Have Faces.
:-)
By Wayne Leman, at
November 5, 2008 11:23 AM
Well, we're no longer faceless.
So, what is the opposite of faceless?
spoken to the tone eeyore uses:
Oooooo Hummmmmm....Things we just don't talk about. But, talkin' about it makes it better.
"Anyway, One can't complain. I have my friends. Someone spoke to me only yesterday."
LOL.
By Mike Sangrey, at
November 5, 2008 1:01 PM
Everybody else is pretty accurate but I'm much more handsome than that.
By David Ker, at
November 6, 2008 6:58 AM
BTW, Wayne I love that book.
By David Ker, at
November 6, 2008 6:58 AM
Yes, David, we know your true handsomeness is revealed here, or maybe here.
Chris Heard 
Jim West 
Mark Goodacre 
Tyler WilliamsEven fellow Antipodean Judy Redman does not fare well:
Judy RedmanHowever, for some reason I alone seem to be blessed with an acceptable image.
Tim BulkeleyWhether it is clean living, towering intellect, or blackmail that allows me to get off so lightly I'll leave in silence (and expect you to too ;) though I'd welcome suggestions of great and famous people that our biblibloggers' avatars resemble!
Or add to this rogues' gallery by typing your friends' names in to the site, and watch the fun! If you link here I'll add a link back so that interested parties can collect a full set - more fun and perhaps less divisive than the infamous "more conservative than you" list.
PS: Jim West calls it deviltry, and posts pictures of himself (in two guises) and of Chris Tilling which seem to demonstrate his point, or possibly that the pair of them are hiding out and appearing on wanted posters ;)
But, as if to demonstrate that to the pure all things are pure, Wayne Leman wants to "
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Marking really does deserve some kind of escape to rest the weary brain. I'll have to play with the avatars as well to see how I and others I know fare.
If not, and if you know of someone working or interested in the area of resourcing local churches in languages please point them to this post as I'd REALLY love to hear from them!
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¶ 11:49 AM
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Duane, however, has done a sterling job of summarising and listing some of the most (excitable and) interesting of last month's posts in the traditional carnival, while keeping the size to an almost readable (if you ignore half the categories) post. This 2,500 word essay must have one of the lowest word to link ratios on the web, perhaps that is the secret of why Google loves the Carnivals ;)
And, if Duane's mamouth read suggests too many (new to you) blogs to read, then the infamous Bishop NT Wrong has a list of the top fifty, half of which I have still never heard of... If this sounds like belated fin de siècle weariness don't believe a word of it, it's just that the marking season has started :(
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¶ 7:57 AM
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actually you'd probably be surprised at how little time i spend on such things.
i just don't waste my time the way too many others do with video games and role playing games and that sort of thing. it's amazing what one can achieve in a small amount of time when one is focused.
By Jim, at
November 2, 2008 2:46 PM
Hmm, of all the temptations to waste time, computer "games" are some I am not tempted by, there are so many more exciting things to do on computers, communicating with real people ;)
By Tim, at
November 2, 2008 7:27 PM
are you saying you and the other bloggers aren't real?????
i've had my suspicions....
;-)
By Jim, at
November 3, 2008 3:19 AM
Of course, if you want text... just read Watering the "Desert of Books" & Vernacular resources: watering the desert of books II.
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¶ 11:34 AM
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